Or, they are true believers and this is really contradictory? I don't want to spread the wrong thing about our Lord. "Someone asked me about the Holy Spirit and I gave my belief as follows: We receive the Holy Spirit at the same moment we believe Christ. And so, the idea here is that if somebody is prophesying or if somebody is speaking in tongues or if somebody's interpreting, if a genuine manifestation of a spiritual gift is taking place, obviously, Jesus said Himself, the Spirit is coming to glorify Him. But now what happens? The predominant one is that a baptism in the Holy Spirit unleashes the Holy Spirit that is already present within us, by revitalizing the graces we received in the sacrament of Baptism. What do we say to this? When I started to share the Gospel with others, I had to face many, many questions, mostly from my Catholic and Jacobite believers. Don't You know that? We receive the Holy Spirit through faith in the Lord Jesus Christ. -------------------- What's happening here is the disciples who are already saved (incomplete thought) Notice verse 2. GenesisExodusLeviticusNumbersDeuteronomyJoshuaJudgesRuth1 Samuel2 Samuel1 Kings2 Kings1 Chronicles2 ChroniclesEzraNehemiahEstherJobPsalmsProverbsEcclesiastesSong of SongsIsaiahJeremiahLamentationsEzekielDanielHoseaJoelAmosObadiahJonahMicahNahumHabakkukZephaniahHaggaiZechariahMalachiMatthewMarkLukeJohnActsRomans1 Corinthians2 CorinthiansGalatiansEphesiansPhilippiansColossians1 Thessalonians2 Thessalonians1 Timothy2 TimothyTitusPhilemonHebrewsJames1 Peter2 Peter1 John2 John3 JohnJudeRevelation, Select a Beginning Point Jude wrote about the nature of unbelievers – they do not have the Holy Spirit. Prophets In fact, he writes: "In the same way, the Spirit too comes to the aid of our weakness; for we do not know how to pray as we ought, but the Spirit itself intercedes with inexpressible groanings. En Español. On the Day of Pentecost Peter said the crowd. Because this doesn't only help our brother explain how these things can be; how these Scriptures actually work together. They believe on him and are baptized. Paul is making it undeniably clear. Johannine Writings You see, what this Spirit is - this Spirit is the missionary Spirit. These gifts are present in their fullness in Jesus Christ, Whom Isaiah foretold (Isaiah 11:1).From the Catholic perspective, the faithful receive the seven gifts from God—who is within each of us. I wasn't thinking that we would even go there, but because we read it and it is a verse that brings up questions, I'm not exactly certain how this brother is interpreting this text. And they said no. The Holy Spirit is the One who pours out God’s love in our hearts. conservative Christian faith, which includes a firm belief in the inerrancy He just simply asks them this: Since you became Christians - since you've become believers - did you receive the Holy Spirit? You have Gentiles being converted. -------------------- We have the text that James read out of Ezekiel 36 that He is going to put His Spirit within us. This is what he believes. Recognizing the value of consistent reflection upon the Word of God in order to refocus one's mind and heart upon Christ and His Gospel of peace, we provide several reading plans designed to cover the entire Bible in a year. Jerusalem and just moving outward. Well, for instance, look at Acts 10. And that's what happens here. Through Jesus, we also receive the Gifts of the Holy Spirit in the Sacrament of Confirmation. Paul said, "'John baptized with the baptism of repentance telling the people to believe in the One who was to come after him - that is Jesus.' You test it if it glorifies the Lord Jesus Christ. Wisdom Literature We've got a prophet in our midst. The Old Testament Question: "When / How do we receive the Holy Spirit?" "I'm going to keep asking You for the same thing and I'm going to hold on to You and You know what I want. (from the room) I have a reference to 1 John 4:3. What's Paul saying here? But 1 Corinthians 3:16. Even though the Holy Spirit was around during the Old Testament, Jesus promised after his death to send the Counselor who would indwell us. Paul wrote the following to the Romans about this important truth. Tim: Okay. Then they laid their hands on them and they received the Holy Spirit." So here's the thing, they believed, they received the Word of God, "they had been baptized." You can look at this kind of indirectly. The fruit of the Spirit. Power, boldness, and confidence: Jesus says in Acts 1:5, 8 that baptism in the Spirit means, “You shall receive power. Maybe 44. Most of us are familiar with it. And before we even read it, I'm going to tell you what he says. That what we have here is Scripture is talking about different manifestations of the Spirit. We're dead in the water without it. Even if you're already saved, you need to be praying for the Spirit. Major Prophets The sacrament of Confirmation is the bestowal of Pentecost into the soul of every baptized Christian, and it is final sacrament of initiation into the Catholic Church. Paul wrote to the Corinthians that each of them had received the Spirit from God rather than the spirit that comes from the world. I'm not sure exactly what he's doing with it, but the next one is clear. You can find an in-depth discussion of each in The Gifts of the Holy Spirit. Now let me ask you this, he's saying that on the day of Pentecost he received the Spirit just as those people there in Acts 10 were receiving the Spirit. Acts chapter 2. We need these things. This happens: "They heard that Samaria had received the Word of God." We have not even heard that there is a Holy Spirit.'" And probably what they were saying is there were questions coming. That's what the coming of the Spirit brought. Pentateuch Obviously it means you're praying for greater manifestations, re-visitations, greater demonstrations, greater power. Phillip is doing his ministry. "It happened that while Apollos was at Corinth..." So, he goes over to Achaia. He's asking them. Johannine Writings I came to this conclusion mainly by these two verses." But what it does is it opens to us a glorious reality of ongoing manifestations of the Spirit, empowerings of the Spirit, help of the Spirit, ongoing prayers asking for more of the Spirit. So what do we do? "He made us alive together with Christ." Tim: Which says? He will answer from within, "Do not bother me. When does a person receive the Holy Spirit into his or her life? "...who came down and prayed for them that they might receive the Holy Spirit, for He had not yet fallen on any of them, but they had only been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. And he was calling out people's sins. The Spirit makes it move. Okay, if you don't have the Spirit, you what? Why? He said if anyone who does not have the Spirit of God is not a Christian. -------------------- And had they already received the Spirit? Romans 8:9. This is true of those who were in carnal churches such as Corinth. How do you test? Blue Letter Bible offers several daily devotional readings in order to help you refocus on Christ and the Gospel of His peace and righteousness. That's not what's happening here. And he writes this, "Hi, brother. At Baptism, we receive seven special gifts from the Holy Spirit. Historical Books We do talk about the holly spirit in catholic faith all the time! -------------------- Peden - do you have any memory of the Peden guy who was a Covenanter? Tim: There it is. Minor Prophets "He said to them, 'did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?'" Luke-Acts Paul told the Galatians that the Holy Spirit was given to them because they are God’s children. The Holy Spirit is active in the Sacraments of Reconciliation and Eucharist. Every single time - speaking gifts and boldness in speaking are given to the people every single time. Amen. He's speaking to His disciples who specifically asked Him, "Lord, teach us to pray." So Acts 8. 8. Filled With the Spirit #1: Baptism or Filling? This is incredible. You know, you get Jehovah's Witnesses show up at your door, can you kind of figure out that the Spirit of God is not there? Now, I think what happened in Paul's mind is this: Jesus told His disciples to baptize in the name of the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Spirit. Phillip preached the Gospel. First Corinthians 12:13 declares, “For we were all baptized by one Spirit into one body—whether Jews or Greeks, slave or free—and we were all given the one Spirit to drink.” Being clothed, being covered with power. . Understanding is the ability to comprehend the meaning of God's message. John 3 - crystal clear. What I want you to recognize is this, when you go back to verse 1, this is not the lost masses saying, "Lord, we're lost. The New Testament Is this brother right? Mary received the Holy Spirit at the Incarnation, and again at Pentecost. I was just hearing recently about somebody was preaching the Gospel, just a very simple preacher, and he was just saying the simplest truths and God just broke loose. There's a repetition that is importunity that says, "Lord, I'm not letting go of you..." It's like Jacob. He focuses in on some certain things in v. 2, 3, and 4. General Epistles (unintelligible) . The Power of the Holy Spirit is Essential, Knowing Christ, The Holy Spirit, Experiential Christianity, No One Can Say “Jesus is Lord” Except in the Holy Spirit. If you look at Luke 11, and Luke especially, he among the Gospel writers - and by the way, he's the one that wrote the book of Acts too, but he loves to speak about the Holy Spirit in a way that the other Gospel writers don't do. There were people prophesying. GenesisExodusLeviticusNumbersDeuteronomyJoshuaJudgesRuth1 Samuel2 Samuel1 Kings2 Kings1 Chronicles2 ChroniclesEzraNehemiahEstherJobPsalmsProverbsEcclesiastesSong of SongsIsaiahJeremiahLamentationsEzekielDanielHoseaJoelAmosObadiahJonahMicahNahumHabakkukZephaniahHaggaiZechariahMalachiMatthewMarkLukeJohnActsRomans1 Corinthians2 CorinthiansGalatiansEphesiansPhilippiansColossians1 Thessalonians2 Thessalonians1 Timothy2 TimothyTitusPhilemonHebrewsJames1 Peter2 Peter1 John2 John3 JohnJudeRevelation, Select an Ending Point Closed Captions, iTunes App Store Okay, so our brother here says, "...That we can believe in Christ only by the Holy Spirit, and God gives the Holy Spirit as a seal, a guarantee..." But we looked at the text that he quoted in 2 Corinthians 1:22. So you've got this man who knows only the baptism of John. Teach us what we should pray." And if there was any interpretation happening, I don't remember, but it was being lauded as this was some great manifestation of the gifts of the Spirit, and this man sitting there understood exactly what was being said, and Christ was being cursed. This is the idea. Then Peter, filled with the Holy Spirit..." and he goes on. What is said about being born again that would lead us to believe that to even be born again, you would need to have the Spirit? But there was a man in the meeting that was really troubled. It is that simple. I will give you a new heart (and then simultaneously it seems) and a new spirit I will put within you, and I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh, and I will put my Spirit in you." So, what do you think Paul's saying when he says, "I want you to understand, no one speaking in the Spirit of God ever says, 'Jesus is accursed,' and no one can say 'Jesus is Lord,' except in the Holy Spirit"? When he arrived, he greatly helped those who through grace had believed, for he powerfully refuted the Jews in public showing by the Scriptures that the Christ was Jesus." Copyright 2021 © I'll Be Honest All rights reserved. I mean, that's a given. He had already been saved. You can do nothing apart from the Spirit of Christ. General Epistles "Someone asked me about the Holy Spirit and I gave my belief as follows: We receive the Holy Spirit at the same moment we believe Christ. It's just when he spoke, heaven let loose. Are we going to say, "Jesus, I'm God's temple. As the disciples are gathered in the upper room, tongues as of fire descend upon them, and they are filled with the Holy Spirit. And He said then to them, "He is in you..." already, and then He said this, "and He will be with you." Does it happen immediately upon believing or is there an interval of time between belief in Christ and the reception of the Holy Spirit? "Someone asked me about the Holy Spirit and I gave my belief as follows: We receive the Holy Spirit at the same moment we believe Christ. But what happens when the Spirit falls upon them is something different. It couldn't be clearer. Maybe somebody would even say Ezekiel 36 - it sounds like it's all a package there, but maybe it doesn't necessarily all happen simultaneously. You see, the reality is this, we go from being dead in our trespasses and sins to being alive in Christ. But this does mean that our Father loves importunity and persistence. Blue Letter Bible is a 501(c)(3) nonprofit organization. Verse 5, "And He said to them, 'which of you who has a friend will go to him at midnight and say to him, "Friend, lend me three loaves, for a friend of mine has arrived on a journey and I have nothing to set before him." That's the test. (unintelligible) "Now I am eagerly studying the Word of God in a daily manner. 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